Out with the old and in with the new. Marine officials have ditched the .45-caliber Colt 1911. They are choosing to use a 9mm Glock, and here’s why:

 

“We put our money behind the 9mm round fired by an extremely well-trained marksman carrying a Glock 19,” said Maj. Nick Mannweiler, a spokesman for Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command. He added the 9mm Glock is the only pistol Marine special operators are allowed to take into battle.

 

Just since last year, the MARSOC purchased a whopping 1,654 Glock 19s. This was due to the rise in Raiders need for a second weapon. One that “could be used for both a concealed carry profile and a low visibility profile.”

 

“Based on lessons learned in our operations, we also took into consideration how well a round could penetrate objects of varying densities and in different environmental conditions,” Mannweiler said. “We concluded that a 9mm round suited our needs.”

 

The FBI has also begun the transformation from the .45 to the 9mm, which started in June. The FBI actually awarded an $85 million contract to Glock, which will “outfit other law enforcement agencies under the Justice Department and all Offices of Inspector General.

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  • jowolo

    I thought t he fbi was already using the .40 S&W round.

    • Jon

      I think the DHS and all domestic government agencies bought up the 40 S&W under obama executive orders..

    • mike14706

      Yes they use the glock 40 with a 180 grain hollow point traveling at 980 ft per second and they are now going to a 9mm +p hollow point, if they go with the124grain +p spear gold dot travelling at 1250 ft per second they will have more power than with the 40 cal round.

      • betterboy

        More velocity with the 9mm but less punch than the 40

        • mike14706

          You may actually get more punch with the +P 124 gain gold dot with its large hollow point will open faster and give you more stopping power.

          • betterboy

            Maybe compared to a std round, but how would the +P compare to a hollow point 40 cal top end round? I keep my guns loaded with frangibles and just use cheap ammo for the range.

  • Doug

    When I hear someone was shot 7 or 8 times and is still alive, I’ll go with my 1911.

    • American Me

      If somebody is shot 7 or 8 times and still is alive,that says poor marksmanship to me or the shooter is Blind.Maybe the GAY guys in the military and FBI can’t handle a 45.They do kick like a mule.

      • Unkledon

        Surviving 7 or 8 shots sounds like some amped up criminal. Lets all remember the reason for the 1911’s development. Poor compact results for the 38’s. Seriously drugged up warriors in the Philipines could not be stopped if a soldier was down to his side arm. The 45 round and the 1911 was the solution. At least that’s the story I grew up with.

        • Oleo Ranch

          I used to video our IPSC matches years ago. I have footage of so many 1911 malfunctions it would take forever to edit it all together. The top shooters all spent AT LEAST a thousand dollars to have gunsmiths improve the reliability, but I’d never trust my life to one. I have one in the gun safe, and that’s where it stays.

          • betterboy

            You can buy a set of links of various sizes (distances between holes) – most likely that is your problem. Once you get the parts fitted correctly it should be reliable.

          • coyote-hunter

            I trusted my life to one for 545 days in the Republic of Vietnam, it never failed me then and hasn’t since…wanna sell yours?

          • Oleo Ranch

            Glad you made it through that. No doubt you had military ball ammo, which is what the 1911 was designed to handle. A 9mm with something like Silver Tips or Glazer Safety Slugs has more stopping power than the 45 ball. If you use anything other than ball ammo you risk malfunctions.

        • betterboy

          If you shoot the various calibers you will know the difference – that is all it takes.

      • CharlieSeattle

        Marksmanship is a moot point against an enemy 3 feet away in the dark while it is raining with mortars dropping around you.

        You fire once while falling back after taking a rifle butt to the face, just hoping to hit anything to stop him before you are finished off.

        I’ll take the .45 every time.

        • hunter34

          my CC is a S&W night guard in 41 rem mag it will stop the biggest strung out creep there is even if the shot placement is not perfect he is going down

      • gadgetcoder

        .22s are actually VERY effective at most pistol shooting distances – especially in hollow point.

        • hunter34

          Iv,e heard that the 22 cal is a favorite with assassins

    • Oleo Ranch

      In the mid 1970’s a cop in S. Lk. Tahoe got shot 7 times, point plank (no vest) with a 1911, he stumbled out of the motel room and fell backwards off the second story balcony. He not only survived, but he didn’t even leave the force. I heard he got killed a few years later as a cop in another city.

      • betterboy

        There are 1911 in 9mm and 38 super – maybe it was not a .45 cal.

        • Oleo Ranch

          I knew most of the shooters, I was usually just over their shoulder when they shot, and I would razz them about 45’s (1911’s) malfunctioning. All the top 1911 shooters spent at least $1000 with a gunsmith and eventually switched to more modern pistols.

      • godofhellfire1

        9mm Browning High Power looks like a 1911, in fact there are .22s that look like 1911s’

        • Oleo Ranch

          I love Browning High Powers, I certainly can tell the difference. H P’s only malfunction with faulty hand loads

  • American Me

    So why not an American Made 9mm instead of a Glock.One of our companies could have used the business.I have never owned a Glock and never will.I buy American.But then I am a Patriot and they must not be.I am shocked by the Marines but not so much with the FBI.After FBI director COMEY’s sell out I wouldn’t put anything past them..

    • DeplorableSnailmailtrucker

      Look who is running our government !

      • Germansmith

        Really?
        Do you think Obama makes a decision which weapon the Marine Corps buy?
        Are you also blaming him for the poor toilet paper they use in the truck stops?

        • Dennis McLain

          Yes on the toilet paper, I keep seeing his picture on it.

          • Oleo Ranch

            Mine at home also has his picture on it, right after I use it.

          • gypsy

            Spilled my coffee through my nose. Well said, it made my morning !!

          • betterboy

            You see his picture on it each time you wipe? LOL – me too!

        • betterboy

          Oturd replaced many of the generals etc. so in effect he has.

    • mike14706

      Glocks are now made in Georgia, Beretta in tn and Sig sauer is now made in NH

      • betterboy

        LOL – probably with Chinese parts like our cars.

    • Germansmith

      I agree . many well made American 9 MM…..no need to buy from the Austrians
      Glocks are great and lite in comparison with a 1911, but our tax money should be spend on American companies

      • betterboy

        buy S&W or Ruger.

    • Unkledon

      Agreed. S&W make a really good one. But what’s worse is while outsourcing might look good on paper, our defense suppliers should not be located overseas.

    • desert

      If you are such a patriot,,,,THEN SUPPORT OUR ONLY TRUE ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

  • charlesbigtruck

    I thought the military was supposed to buy U.S. Hardware only?

    • Oleo Ranch

      Made in Georgia.

  • Valor

    I’ll stay with the .45. Am very comfortable and proficient with it. Been shooting that round for a half century. Works for me. For younger recruits it is very likely they will get just as comfortable and proficient with the 9mm.

  • Dennis McLain

    I have a 1911 .45 ACP Springfield that shoots really nice. I have been reloading rifles and pistols for almost 50 years and I personally, if my bacon was on the line, would have a 10MM. They are really a hard hitting round.

    • betterboy

      Isn’t a 10 mm similar to a longer .40 cal?
      If you really want stopping power you need a .308.

      • Dennis McLain

        More powder and a few hundred feed per second more velocity equals more power with virtually the same size bullet.

        • rl27

          He mite like the Barret 1701…but that sucker is hard to get into a holster? And a bit expensive to shoot.

          • betterboy

            I’ll put that Barret into the holster I use for my NAA revolver.

  • Bob Long

    obamas ultimate plan, the death of any cartridge over a nato 9mm, just watch, soon the UN arms treaty will pass and anything over a 9 will be banned, outlawed, you may poo poo me, now, but damn it, we are so much closer to that being a reality than 8 years ago.

    • fishunter

      You have a point! This UN Small Arms Treaty is something we Americans need to fight, along with the NRA. This “Treaty” is taking freedom away from the people, and I do not want to take orders from the Blue Helmets. Come to think of it, I believe the 9mm was the gun the German Luger shot. I’m not sure if Germany made-up the round or not.

      • betterboy

        The most common 9mm is the 9mm luger.

        • Michael E Heis

          No it is the 9×19, the Luger never was a round

          • betterboy

            From the web –
            the most common 9mm is 9X19, otherwise known as 9mm Luger …

  • 1loyalamerican74

    I prefer the S & W Judge, with .410 shells and .45 bullets. Of course the military and law enforcements will not use such items.

  • CQ

    As for reliability, I have had a Norinco 1911A1, Sig P245, Springfield Champion 45ACP, Springfield XD45, and none of them ever misfed or otherwise failed me. Some years back (2000?) I was watching a cable show on the LA coroner’s office- they showed the autopsy on a victim who had one 45 shot to the back. The entry wound looked insignificant, analysis was that it hit his shoulder blade. If someone gets 7 or 8 frontal wounds that are not fatal, the shots must have been wild. or FMJ or the victim just extremely lucky. About the same time there was a news video of some highway patrolman who emptied his 13 capacity 9mm magazine at a criminal and did not hit him once. Make of that what you will.
    I only use FMJ for practice.

    • betterboy

      There was a news report about cops chasing a gun man in New York and 11 people were shot. I turned to my wife and said, “I get the cops shot them”. Sure enough, that is what happened. Maybe it is good the cops don’t have 45’s.

      • Pa John

        Google “new york police trigger pull” (minus the quotes) and you will get lots of links to various articles detailing how the powers that be in NYC, in an effort to limit accidental / negligent discharge issues, decided to require a TWELVE POUND TRIGGER PULL on their police issue handguns. Nowhere near the usual roughly 5 to maybe 7 lbs of trigger pull you get from most factory handgun triggers, but a full 12 pounds of finger straining, aim destroying trigger pull. Tie some string to a 10 lb. barbell weight and do lots of forefinger curls to build up that trigger finger! 🙂

        • betterboy

          That explains it. Most cops are good shots. I have a S&W Sigma .40cal, never jams, always fires, but the trigger sucks like you stated and kills the accuracy. I’m glad you told me about that. Of course, the anxiety related to the incident doesn’t help either. So, do you prefer a 9mm to a .45 or .40?

          • Michael E Heis

            What cops do you know? Most of the ones I have seen at the range scare the hell out of me and the FBI has stats to prove it. 13% is average cop hit rate, average civilian rate is over 30% in a confrontation, look it up.

          • betterboy

            Retired.

  • ADRoberts

    Let them go to the 9mm. Especially those government BROWN SHIRTS who will be coming after Americans.
    I will stay with the 45

  • Niku

    i’ve read variants of these arguments more times the I care to recall. They are childish. The facts are, an imitation gun will stop most assailants most of the time, and a blank cartridge in a real gun will stop them 90% of the time. The difference between a 22 short and a 45 are trivial when it comes to the real stopping power, which is the effect on the mind. For this reason, the louder the weapon, the more stopping power it has, just as nobody messes with a man with a deep masculine voice.

  • mathis1689

    If the Marines had any sense they’d go to the Sig P -227. 10+1 capacity, 45ACP, shoots like a laser, and feels great. Couldn’t ask for much more. Except of course, these days they have to accommodate people who are scared shi-less of guns and think that they don’t want a gun that has a bit of recoil. Ergo, the push for the 9mm.

  • SIRWIZARD

    I am a retired Army Ordnance Officer. I’ve FORGOTTEN more about firearms than most people will EVER know. I suspect the REAL reason the Marines selected the 9mm over the .45 is MONEY. There is a heck of a lot of 9mm ammo in ammunition igloos all over the world and not much .45 ACP. Selecting the 9mm Glock means they don’t have to purchase a few million dollars worth of new ammo. That’s OK, but it’s more honest to just say that instead of pretending that the 9mm (which is like a .38 SHORT) is better than the .45 ACP. To understand why the Army moved to the ..45 in the first place, look at the history of fighting the Philippine Moro Rebellion. The Army sidearm at the time was a .38 revolver that FAILED to stop Moros. Remember that the .38 is a longer, more powerful cartridge than the 9mm. The last 9mm pistol used by the marines (and still used by the Army) is giving our troops similar results…it fails to stop their opponents. Why the Marines think changing to a different brand of pistol will improve the stopping power is a mystery to me. Changing from the M9 Beretta 9mm to an updated .45 ACP pistol was a recent event spurred by reliability AND KNOCK DOWN issues. Hey, guys, you know what they say about doing the same thing over again while expecting a different result.

  • desert

    A .45 was the only thing that would stop a drugged up Phillipino, tell me sweetums, whats going to stop a drugged up muslim??

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